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risk of loss. After finding out the president of the United States had tested positive for the

coronavirus at the end of last week, we had a weekend of conflicting information on his condition,

some videos of him looking under the weather, a photo op of him signing his name like a big boy,

a ride around the block that put some secret service members at risk, and now he's heading back

to the White House to potentially put even more people at risk. Never has the Trump presidency

been in a greater state of flux, and that is really saying something. So with the Vice

Presidential debate set for Wednesday, we thought it'd be a good time to talk about President Trump's

very Christian shadow, Vice President Michael Richard Pence. McCay Coppins, you've written about

Pence a number of times for the Atlantic. What's he been saying about the president over the past few

days? Publicly, he's said the things you might expect, you know, that he's praying for the president

in the first lady that the American people are rooting for him. He's kind of played the traditional

role of the Vice President as kind of the cheerleader for the president and the supporter of his.

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