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Note to Self

It's Time to Start Talking About Robot Morals

Note to Self

WNYC Studios

Self-improvement, Tech, Note, Npr, Education, Public, Wnyc, Manoush, York, To, New, Self, Radio, Business, Technology, Relationships, City, Society & Culture, Zomorodi, Newtechcity

4.72.7K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2014

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

Computer programmers are injecting machines with consciousness and the power of thought. It's time we stop and ask, 'which thoughts?'

In this episode we hear how robots can become self-aware and teach themselves new behaviors in the same way a baby might learn to wiggle his toes and learn to crawl. Though this is happening now, Hod Lipson, Cornell researcher, tells us that uttering the word consciousness to roboticists is like saying the "C" word. It could get you fired. We say, it's time to start talking about robot morals.

However you look at it, Google's self-driving car is a robot and it will be entering our lives soon. So we talk with psychologist Adam Waytz of Northwestern University about his experiments measuring how people form bonds with robots, and how we naturally project human characteristics onto machines — for better or worse — including a friendly driver-less car named Iris.

By the end of this episode, we raise a lot of questions and offer a few answers about the ethics of living in a robot world. Please consider this the start of a conversation and let us know what else you want us to ask, answer, cover or investigate, including who you want us to interview next.

You can get in touch with us through Twitter, @NewTechCity or email us at newtechcity (at) wnyc.org. And if you like this episode, please subscribe on iTunes, or via RSS. It's easier than finding your toes.

VIDEOS:

We mention a few videos in the podcast. Here they are in the order they appear in the show.

Watch the full event with Hod Lipson showing off his thinking robots. He shows off his "Evil Starfish" starting around 14 minutes in. It "gimps along" best at 28 minutes in.

And here is Google's promotional video for it's first fully driver-less car.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello friend, this is an episode of Note to Self, but from when we used to be called New Text City.

0:06.9

Same good content, just the old name. Enjoy.

0:10.0

Are those your toes? Is that your feet?

0:16.6

You don't remember this, but when you were around three months old, you discovered your

0:20.7

feet and toes. Wow, those are cool.

0:24.8

You also started to be able to focus on objects. You probably also liked looking at yourself

0:30.3

in the mirror. Those are the coolest things on earth.

0:34.1

You started to understand that you have a body. You were getting self-aware. You are human.

0:43.9

Hi, it's Menu Samarote, and this is New Text City from WNYC. The podcast about how technology

0:51.1

is changing the way we live. And you were just hearing an adorable homemade video of a mom

0:57.0

and her baby boy on YouTube. Perfect for kicking off this week's show about humanity.

1:03.5

What makes someone human? And what about machines that are growing more and more like humans?

1:10.6

First, I want to introduce you to Dr. Hodd Lipson.

1:14.2

So instead of just talking about what it means to be human, philosophizing about it, let's

1:19.2

see if we can build it. Hodd is a professor and researcher at Cornell University in upstate

1:24.2

New York. In Hodd's field, using the word consciousness is like saying a profanity.

1:30.6

We call it the seaworth, or we can't say it. It's one of these things.

1:33.9

I know another seaworth. It's not that one. Consciousness is a dirty word because Hodd

1:38.9

isn't a biologist or medical researcher. He's a professor of engineering. He builds robots.

1:46.3

If you are a roboticist and you talk about consciousness, you're going to be fired.

1:50.4

This is sort of a topic that is taboo and robotics.

1:55.0

Taboo robots. I got to touch and hold some of them at an event Newtech City held here in New York.

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