Welcome back to The Contrary podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. Some numbers, we are in day 29 of the war with Iran, the stock market, officially entered correction territory last week.

Forbes ran the number and concluded that Donald Trump has added $1.3 billion to his net worth in the last year by leveraging the presidency for profit.

You probably saw the story that Donald Trump is going to be putting his name on U.S.

dollars, which seems like you know that he was going to do all of that.

And today is also kind of an anniversary.

We'll talk about that.

And joining me on our weekend podcast, our good friend Jonathan Roush, who is a senior

fellow at the Brookings Institution and a contributor to The Atlantic and other publications

being a journalist of, you know, many, many, many different sources. Jonathan, welcome

back on the podcast.

Always glad to see you. Okay, I want to start off by doing something a little bit different.

I wasn't going to spend much time on this, but the more I think about it is, like, sometimes

anniversaries are good times to look back and reassess things. And today is March 28, 2006.

Ten years ago today was the first and only time, I think, that I ever spoke to Donald Trump.

He called into my radio show.

I was head a conservative radio show in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

It was March 28, 2016. I had made no secret to the fact that I was never Trump. In fact, for six months, I've been pounding and pounding and pounding away. And in fact, Donald Trump was very unpopular in Wisconsin. He would go on to lose the Wisconsin primary to Ted Cruz. And so my producer calls me up and says, Donald Trump wants to come on

your radio show. And I thought, really? If he did 10 seconds worth of Googling, he would figure out

that I'm never Trump and all the things that I've said about him. So I sat down at 8.30 that

morning, as I did every morning. And frankly, I didn't know whether he was going to call in.

I think I thought it was maybe 60, 40 that he wouldn't, that, you know, why would he call into my show?

So I sit down and it was only until the light went on that I realized that Donald Trump was on the line.

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