We talked about the liberal world order or the democratic world order.

Well, we're not there anymore.

Hi, I'm Ian Bremmer, and welcome to the GZero World podcast.

An audio version of what you can find on

public television where I analyze global topics, sit down with big guests, and make use of little

puppets. This week I sit down with Richard Haas, president of the Council of Foreign Relations

and a longtime top-level diplomat. Haas doesn't mince words, and today he'll talk candidly about a world he says is increasingly in disarray.

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And I'm here with my friend Richard Haas, president of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Good to be with you.

Always good to be with you.

As the United States has less energy requirements from the Middle East, as you see this kind of pushback,

as China has a lot more equities they need from the Middle East, do you see it as an inevitability

that we're going to see a post-American

Middle East in the near future?

Well, I think we're largely there. The Middle East sponged up a disproportionate share of our energy since the end of the Cold War.

So you could argue that strategically it made sense to adjust it or dial it down to some extent.

I think that's fair.

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