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It's the Bechdel test but for men, too

Shameless

Shameless Media

Society & Culture

4.71.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 September 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Hello! On today’s show: Paul Mescal wants to protect his relationship with Gracie Abrams. America’s new Bachelorette has been announced, and she has a curious past. Kelsea Ballerini has split from her partner, mere hours after he posted her on Instagram. What’s the chatter about Liam Hemsworth’s engagement? And Welcome to Zara’s Algorithm… I have no idea what it is because she’s told me to keep my nose out of it. Zara rec: Rupert Murdoch Gets His Succession Finale in Radio Atlantic Mich rec: The Jinx InstantScripts. InstantScripts have doctors available twenty four seven, for fast and reliable health care. Just visit InstantScripts dot com dot au or download the app! T&Cs apply, see their webiste for details.  And Betty’s Burgers! You can treat your bestie with 2 for $15 Deluxe Thick Shakes – just pop into your closest Betty’s restaurant.  Shameless Podcast is produced by Annabelle Lee and Eilish Gilligan, executive-produced by Lucy Hunt and audio-edited by Mike Liberale. Our social media team consists of Naima Fatema and Emily Li, and our partnerships manager is Cindy Luu. Want to support our show? Clicking ‘follow’ on Apple and Spotify is the best way to do that, and we're super grateful to anyone who leaves a five-star review while they're at it. Also! An old-fashioned 'Tell a Friend In Real Life' is equally appreciated. Want more? We've got more… Subscribe to our newsletter Smart, Dumb Stuff: https://tinyurl.com/4yasjphn  Follow us on Instagram: https://tinyurl.com/2mf557uxAaaand we’re on TikTok: https://tinyurl.com/2hchchrp Everything else your heart could ever desire is here: https://linktr.ee/shamelesspodcast Thanks for listening! We’re huge fans of yours. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Shameless Media.

0:07.9

This episode of Shameless is brought to you by Instant Scripts.

0:11.5

Australia's leading online medical clinic that's here for you 24-7. Hello and welcome to Shameless, the pop culture podcast for smart people who love dumb stuff.

0:45.9

You're joined, as always, by Melbourne Writers, Michelle Andrews, that would be me, and Zara McDonald, that would be you.

0:51.5

We're back.

0:52.3

We're so back, baby.

0:54.9

We missed you.

0:54.9

We missed you so much.

0:56.2

We are also here with producer Annabelle.

0:57.9

Hello. Hello, Nana Bot. Coming up on today's show, nobody do the Bechdale test on this episode because it's all about boyfriends and girlfriend. No, but it doesn't care. It's not the Bechtel test because it's men being attached to women and women being attached to men.

1:11.0

It's all good.

1:12.2

Is that the definition?

1:13.8

That's absolutely failing the Bechel test. You know what? We can talk about this later. Let me do my intro. Paul Meskell wants to protect his relationship with Gracie Abrams. America's new Bachelorette has been announced and she has a curious past we want to dive into. Kelsey Bellarini has split from her partner mere hours after he posted her on Instagram. I'm not done with the relationship chat because then we need to talk about Liam Hemsworth's engagement and the controversy around it. And welcome to Zara's algorithm. She's told me it has to do with relationships, but that's all I know. She wanted me to keep my nose out of it. I can't wait.

1:47.6

Hey, by the way, on the Bechdel test.

1:52.6

The Bechdel test evaluates, you know, the betrayal of women.

1:57.1

My point is we are also talking about men in the context of women as well.

1:58.9

So it's actually reductive to men.

1:59.6

No.

2:00.2

And women. I observe your thoughts.

2:03.5

Thank you. And that's all I ever ask for. They're incorrect. The Bechdel test, doesn't it measure?

2:09.7

It's any piece of content that only talks about women in relation to their romantic lives with

2:14.7

men and it doesn't involve any conversations about things outside of that.

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