It's Only a Matter of Rank
Sons of Patriarchy
Peter Bell & Sarah Bader
4.2 • 649 Ratings
🗓️ 20 January 2025
⏱️ 61 minutes
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In this episode I spoke with repeat guest Cait West, a woman whose marriage and church (FBC Beggs in Beggs, Oklahoma, led by pastor Chris Gore) was taken over by the patriarchy, and Zach Wagner (author of "Non-Toxic Masculinity") about the Patriarchy.
Patriarchy is not only toxic for the women subjugated under it, it's an impossible system for the men to exercise. It's a reaction to the perceived feminization of the church, of culture, and of society. It's an ideology wherein it's not enough to *be* a man, you must *do* manly things to prove it.
And therein lies the problem, an identity wrapped up in performance rather than the gospel.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | What happens when cultural assumptions turn into tradition? |
| 0:04.0 | The transition from we do this to this is always how it's been done. |
| 0:10.0 | Let's turn to the late author David Foster Wallace's 2005 commencement speech at Kenyon College for some help. |
| 0:18.0 | Greetings, thanks, and congratulations to Kenyan's graduating class of 2005. |
| 0:25.4 | There are these two young fish swimming along, and they happen to meet an older fish |
| 0:30.1 | swimming the other way, who nods at them and says, morning boys, how's the water? |
| 0:35.4 | And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually |
| 0:38.7 | one of them looks over at the other and goes, what the hell is water? This is a standard |
| 0:45.7 | requirement of U.S. commencement speeches, the deployment of didactic little parable-ish |
| 0:50.3 | stories. The story thing turns out to be one of the better, less bullshiny conventions of the genre. |
| 0:57.0 | But if you're worried that I plan to present myself here as the wise, older fish explaining what water is to you, younger fish, |
| 1:04.0 | please don't be. I am not the wise old fish. |
| 1:08.0 | The point of the fish story is merely that the most obvious, important realities are |
| 1:12.0 | often the ones that are hardest to see and talk about. Stated as an English sentence, |
| 1:16.9 | of course, this is just a banal platitude. But the fact is that in the day-to-day trenches |
| 1:22.2 | of adult existence, banal platitudes can have a life or death importance. Or so I wish to suggest to you on this dry and lovely morning. |
| 1:31.6 | As the famed Canadian philosopher Charles Taylor put it, |
| 1:35.1 | what we assume to be tradition |
| 1:36.5 | is but a certain culture's way of doing things |
| 1:39.3 | extended over a long period of time. |
| 1:41.8 | We don't realize the water we're swimming in |
| 1:43.7 | because we've been swimming in it for so long. |
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