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Sons of Patriarchy

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Sons of Patriarchy

Peter Bell & Sarah Bader

Religion & Spirituality

4.2649 Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Read about the woman's story at FBC Beggs here: https://tinyurl.com/5x7w6ddj

In this episode I spoke with repeat guest Cait West, a woman whose marriage and church (FBC Beggs in Beggs, Oklahoma, led by pastor Chris Gore) was taken over by the patriarchy, and Zach Wagner (author of "Non-Toxic Masculinity") about the Patriarchy.

Patriarchy is not only toxic for the women subjugated under it, it's an impossible system for the men to exercise. It's a reaction to the perceived feminization of the church, of culture, and of society. It's an ideology wherein it's not enough to *be* a man, you must *do* manly things to prove it.

And therein lies the problem, an identity wrapped up in performance rather than the gospel.

Buy Cait's book here: https://tinyurl.com/27nvt34h
Buy Zach's book here: https://tinyurl.com/6pt73vsb

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Transcript

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0:00.0

What happens when cultural assumptions turn into tradition?

0:04.0

The transition from we do this to this is always how it's been done.

0:10.0

Let's turn to the late author David Foster Wallace's 2005 commencement speech at Kenyon College for some help.

0:18.0

Greetings, thanks, and congratulations to Kenyan's graduating class of 2005.

0:25.4

There are these two young fish swimming along, and they happen to meet an older fish

0:30.1

swimming the other way, who nods at them and says, morning boys, how's the water?

0:35.4

And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually

0:38.7

one of them looks over at the other and goes, what the hell is water? This is a standard

0:45.7

requirement of U.S. commencement speeches, the deployment of didactic little parable-ish

0:50.3

stories. The story thing turns out to be one of the better, less bullshiny conventions of the genre.

0:57.0

But if you're worried that I plan to present myself here as the wise, older fish explaining what water is to you, younger fish,

1:04.0

please don't be. I am not the wise old fish.

1:08.0

The point of the fish story is merely that the most obvious, important realities are

1:12.0

often the ones that are hardest to see and talk about. Stated as an English sentence,

1:16.9

of course, this is just a banal platitude. But the fact is that in the day-to-day trenches

1:22.2

of adult existence, banal platitudes can have a life or death importance. Or so I wish to suggest to you on this dry and lovely morning.

1:31.6

As the famed Canadian philosopher Charles Taylor put it,

1:35.1

what we assume to be tradition

1:36.5

is but a certain culture's way of doing things

1:39.3

extended over a long period of time.

1:41.8

We don't realize the water we're swimming in

1:43.7

because we've been swimming in it for so long.

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