Welcome to the Birchcast, the flagship podcast of transferring all value to your business customers.

I'm your friend David Pierce, and I am sitting here in my almost entirely empty basement.

Right behind me is where my desk used to be, but it's all gone.

This is all good news.

We're moving this weekend.

It's all very exciting.

But I made the very stupid mistake of taking all of my audio

equipment, all of my lights, my computer, my desk chair, everything out of this room before

I recorded this. So now I sit on the floor and I talk into my MacBook Air, which is currently

sitting on a couch cushion. This is the life that I lead. Thank you, by the way, Apple, for making the MacBook Air microphones pretty good now. So hopefully this will sound okay. And by the way, if you're like, oh gosh, David, not only does the MacBook Air microphone sound pretty good, it makes your voice sound like deeper and more powerful than normal. Alas, no, I just have a cold, but I'll be over that soon. Anyway, we're not here to talk about any of that. We're here for a conversation that I had a couple of weeks ago with Corey Docterow. Corey is one of those people who has been writing about and thinking about the internet for decades. He was at Boing Boing where I read him for a long time. He's done a lot of work at the EFF about internet policy and that kind of thing. And a couple of years ago, he coined a term called Inshittification, which describes basically

the way that technology companies and the products that they make have systematically gotten

worse. He also wrote a book called Inshittification. It's out now. It's fabulous. You should read it.

And we're going to talk to him.

We did this interview and I was like, I don't know what we're going to make of this. And I enjoyed talking to him so much about what happened and what we do about it that I just figure we're just going to run it. I think you'll like it too. All that is coming up in just a sec. This is the first gas. We'll be right back. It's time for Black Friday at Dell Technologies. Save big on PCs like the Dell 16

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featuring Intel Core Ultra processors. Shop now at Dell.coa EK forward slash Black Friday.

It's time for Black Friday at Dell Technologies.

Save big on PCs like the Dell 16 plus featuring Intel core ultra processors.

Shop now at Dell.com to EK. forward slash Black Friday.

All right, we're back.

So let me just set up the conversation I'm about to have with Corey.

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