And the Oh, Are you know when you talk about the various seals mentioned in revelation

you're saying that five of them have already been opened.

That's correct.

And is that a standard perception in terms of eschatology, mainstream eschatology?

You know, if you talk to your average evangelical theologian, what do they say about that?

You know, a lot of people think the seals sort of open up all at once at the end times.

Right, so they believe that none of them has been open.

You're saying five of them have been opened.

That's correct.

And you believe you have the evidence for that?

Yes.

200 years ago, basically, in 1830, a very wealthy, very charismatic preacher named John

Darby, D-A-R-B-Y, came with this doctrine that's now referred to as the secret rapture or the pre-Tribulation rapture.

Yeah, I don't have the background at all, so I just want to know what it says.

I don't want to be misled I've lived a life

you know in the media so I'm highly familiar with how populations are misled or lied

too well welcome to the program I'm Ken Michael joining me is

Pastor Josh Schwartz and today we're gonna talk about the pre-Tribulation

rapture and the controversy that surrounds it and with me and joining us is

Lee Brainard he is the it. And with me and joining us is Lee Brainerd.

He is the founder of soothekeep Ministries.

He's an author and we're going to talk about his latest book,

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