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The Energy Gang

It’s looking bleak for clean energy in the US as Congress threatens to shred the Inflation Reduction Act

The Energy Gang

Wood Mackenzie

Alternative Energy, Tech News, 958784, Environment, Technology, Renewable Energy, Energy, Business, Sustainability, Wind Energy, Climate Change, Cleantech, News, Solar Energy, Innovation, News Commentary

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Legislation with massive implications for clean energy in the US has been making progress in Congress. The Republican party’s “big beautiful bill”, introducing sweeping changes to taxes and government spending, would phase out most of the tax credits for low-carbon energy that were created, expanded or extended in the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) of 2022.

To unpack the proposals and examine what they might mean for the US and the world, host Ed Crooks is joined by some of the Energy Gang’s top policy wonks:

  • Amy Myers-Jaffe, Director of NYU’s Energy, Climate Justice, and Sustainability Lab
  • Robbie Orvis, Senior Director for Modelling and Analysis at the thinktank Energy Innovation
  • Ray Long, President and Chief Executive of the American Council on Renewable Energy 


They discuss whether the phaseout of tax credits for wind, solar and storage will deter the development of renewable energy. The credits have created a whole industry to support investment in new renewables projects. What happens if those credits go away?

The group also dig into the crucial details of the proposals, including changes to the transferability of tax credits, and more stringent provisions on “foreign entities of concern” or FEOCs. Those rules could affect the majority of clean energy projects in the US. 

As of Tuesday 20th May, the game is not over. Some Republicans in the House and the Senate senators think the proposals don't fit with the administration’s bigger goals, and have been fighting to save at least some of the credits.

The gang set out the various options for how the negotiations over the bill could play out, and assess the potential damage.

And they ask the question: could clean energy in the US actually be better off without support from tax credits?

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to The Energy Gang, a discussion show from Wood Mackenzie about the fast-changing world of energy.

0:08.8

I'm Ed Crooks, and on today's show we're going to be talking about a big week in Washington.

0:14.1

We've been talking quite a bit about how the Trump administration wants to cut support for low-carbon energy,

0:19.6

put the emphasis back on fossil fuels.

0:21.6

But there's quite a lot that they want to achieve that can't just be done by the administration,

0:26.6

by executive orders and so on. They need Congress.

0:29.6

And now, just in the past few days, we've been starting to see exactly what Congress wants to do.

0:36.6

So to talk about all the big news out of Washington, I'm joined by Amy Myers Jaffe.

0:40.3

Amy is the director of the Energy, Climate Justice and Sustainability Lab at New York University.

0:45.3

Hi Amy, how are you?

0:46.3

I am great at logging in from a beautiful downtown Houston.

0:51.3

Oh yes, very nice, very nice.

0:53.3

Nicer than a lot of people might think actually, but we could have a debate another time about Houston. Oh, yes, very nice, very nice. A lot of people might think, actually,

0:55.2

but we could have a debate another time about Houston. I'm actually a big fan of that city,

0:59.7

even though I know it has its critics. And it's also a great pleasure to welcome back to people

1:04.9

who are not in Houston right now. I think both of you are Washington, D.C. based, do you not?

1:10.6

Two of our favorite people from Inside the Beltway.

1:13.4

Robbie Orvis is the Senior Director for Modeling and Analysis at the Think Tank Energy Innovation.

1:18.5

Hi, Robbie. How are you?

1:19.6

Hey, Ed. Doing all right. Busy week here.

1:22.0

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, as we're going to be discovering in a few minutes.

1:26.9

And also, it's great to see Ray Long again.

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