From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthat, and this is interesting times.

The American right has been having a heated, high-stakes debate about the appeal of anti-Semitic ideas among younger conservatives.

And to my mind, a crucial question is whether this was inevitable.

Across the Trump era, the America First Right has turned against immigration and globalization and become skeptical of foreign military commitments, including the U.S. alliance with Israel.

So was it only a matter of time before nationalism opened the door to anti-Semitism?

I wanted to put that question to Yoram Hazoni, an Israeli political theorist and one of the

leading advocates for political nationalism in America, in Israel, and around the world.

He's also the founder of the National Conservative Movement, whose conferences have

attracted a who's who of right-wing figures, including Tucker Carlson and J.D. Vance.

Now his coalition is suddenly being fractured by debates over Israel, Zionism, and

anti-Semitism.

So we're going to talk about why this is happening, how potent anti-Semitism really is on the right,

and what conservative leaders can do about it.

Yoram Hazzoni, welcome to interesting times.

Thank you, Ross. These are interesting times.

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I want to start with a broad but basic question. You've just been in Washington, D.C., having exciting meetings,

I'm sure there's a lot of talk and argument in the air about the growing influence of figures

like the white nationalist and anti-Semitic online star Nick Fuentes.

Just how bad, really, is anti-Semitism on the American right

right now?

Well, I think it's pretty bad. The context for American Jews and for, you know, for others who care

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