Hello and welcome to Maine Justice. It's Tuesday morning, September 30th. And I'm Andrew Wiseman,

and I'm here with my co-host Mary McCord. Hi, Mary. Good morning, Andrew. How are you today? September 30th. Only three and a half more years to go. Okay, that's a long time. All right. And I don't want to rush my life. I am not at the age where I can rush through my life anymore. I need to like take my time. So this is really... You know what? Maybe it's not really three and a half years. Maybe it's three and a quarter.

Yes. Oh, that sounds so much better. So, you know, I've been thinking about what we called our

episode last week, a break glass moment. And then I feel like we're either at like another break glass

moment or the glass is

already broken. I know. You know, it's really weird because you keep on thinking there is

going to be a bottom. And there's not. There isn't. Because you know how last week I was like

looking for these shards of optimism.

Yes.

So I'm not in that mood.

No, we're in a different place.

We are.

And I think one thing that's going to be interesting,

because obviously we're going to talk about the Comey indictment,

but I think one thing that will be interesting is,

and I was on with Nicole Wallace yesterday, and she sort of raised this too, but it's like, how do we communicate to people sufficiently that what happened with Jimmy Kimmel is what happened to James Comey, which is what happened to Abrago Garcia. I mean, it's all of a piece.

And Abrago Garcia, actually, I was surprised by the traction it got and the reaction to that and the amount it triggered human decency, which I still think Americans care about. And obviously, Jimmy Kimmel, because he's such a

major figure, but I've talked to a number of people who are like, well, what's going on with the FBI?

And isn't it kind of normal? And isn't it tit for tat? And this is everyone. And it's so second

nature to us because we care about the rule of law. And so this is such a cynical

attempt to think that process won't matter if we can label the person as bad or a terrorist.

The more you can vilify the person, it doesn't matter that it's off with their head trial to follow.

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