It's a Shark-Eat-Shark World

Going Wild with Dr. Rae Wynn-Grant

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Science, Pets & Animals, Nature, Kids & Family, Natural Sciences

4.9 • 636 Ratings

🗓️ 25 October 2022

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Jasmin Graham loves sharks. I mean, really loves sharks. And she always dreamed of becoming a university professor to encourage other people of color interested in shark science. But then, something happened to Jasmin in grad school that caused her to give up her dream. So what does she do when she realizes she has nothing left to lose? Listen to more "Going Wild" HERE. Thanks for listening! If you want to support us, you can follow “Going Wild” on your favorite podcast listening app. While you’re there, please leave us a review - it really helps. You can also get updates and bonus content by following me, Dr. Rae Wynn-Grant, and PBS Nature on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, and Facebook. And you can catch new episodes of Nature Wednesdays at 8/7c on PBS, pbs.org/nature and the PBS Video app. Follow Jasmin Graham on Twitter and learn more about MISS here. This episode of “Going Wild” was hosted by me, Dr. Rae Wynn-Grant. Production by Caroline Hadilaksono, Danielle Broza, Nathan Tobey, and Great Feeling Studios. Editing by Rachel Aronoff and Jakob Lewis. Sound design by Cariad Harmon. Danielle Broza is the Digital Lead and Fred Kaufman is the Executive Producer for Nature. Art for this podcast was created by Arianna Bollers and Karen Brazell. Special thanks to Amanda Schmidt, Blanche Robertson, Jayne Lisi, Chelsey Saatkamp, and Karen Ho. NATURE is an award-winning series created by The WNET Group and made possible by all of you. Funding for this podcast was provided by grants from the Anderson Family Fund, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and PBS. Views and opinions expressed during the podcast are those of the individuals expressing them and do not necessarily reflect those of THIRTEEN Productions LLC/The WNET Group.

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0:00.0	At the beginning of graduate school, I was having my first meeting with one of my professors,
0:04.6	and I was really nervous, but also kind of excited to meet him because he was a big deal,
0:10.0	and everyone really admired this guy and enjoyed working with him.
0:15.4	And for me, I was really looking forward to discussing my research ideas with him,
0:19.9	and, you know, like getting
0:20.9	some preliminary feedback on my project. And I remember being in the meeting and he was like
0:26.6	giving me like a real talk into. And he was speaking to me as if he expected me to be lazy.
0:35.9	I remember he even said things to me like, that's why like the people driving the bus are the people driving the bus these days.
0:43.4	It's because they don't work hard and like you could just end up like them.
0:48.2	And, you know, and again, this is like New York City.
0:50.0	Bus drivers in that city are like predominantly like black men.
0:52.9	And I remember just sitting in that meeting
0:55.5	thinking to myself, he doesn't know me. I haven't even had a chance to prove myself one way or the other.
1:02.4	And he's suggesting that my baseline is like laziness. And I remember thinking to myself, I think if I were one of his white male students, he would just be talking to me about my science project.
1:19.2	And I couldn't say like, oh, he's talking to me about laziness because I'm a black woman here in front of him.
1:26.3	I couldn't prove that.
1:27.3	But it was super, super clear to him. I couldn't prove that.
1:30.3	But it was super, super clear to me.
1:35.6	And that's like one of those things that microaggressions do is that they linger with you.
1:39.7	They make you like have some types of self-doubt,
1:42.8	where all of a sudden you say like, oh, maybe I'm too sensitive.
1:44.6	Oh, maybe I'm taking it the wrong way.
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