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Jeremy Carl has come to my attention.

He's described as an American author, commentator, policy expert,

whose work spans energy policy, immigration, nationalism, and race relations.

Okay, you have my attention.

He currently serves as a senior fellow at the Fairmont,

I mean at the Claremont Institute, where his research focuses on multiculturalism, nationalism,

and immigration in America. Previously, Jeremy Carl was a research fellow at the Hoover

Institution at Stanford University, with which the great Thomas

Sol has been associated for quite some time, concentrating there on energy and environmental

policy with particular emphasis on energy security, climate policy, and global fossil fuel

markets. Don't panic. He's not one of their guys. He's one of the few people who focus

on these things for the sole purpose of asking a question, is this stuff real? And if not,

what's going to be done to stop it? In addition to his academic roles, he served as

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