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Welcome back to a numbers game with Brian Gurdowski.

Thank you guys for being here.

It is the end of the year.

It kind of snuck up on me way faster than I thought it was.

I thought I had like one more episode.

So I will do a special episode in the beginning of next year.

I promise you guys,

one way to bring a political consultant like myself on and answer any questions about running for office.

That will have to go back to the following week into next year.

I will get that episode done though for you guys.

I look forward to it.

If you have questions about running for office or what that's like or about the inside track of working in

politics email me ryan at numbers game podcast.com and ryan at numbers plural numbers game

podcast.com and i'll get to that put in the headline campaign episode i love to answer that

when we get to it so for this episode i thought we'd have a little fun i was a guest on a show called

the mclaughlin group 12 times now for the kids in the audience who don't know, Sundays used to have big talk day on political news, right? The whole morning would basically be political talk shows, heavy hitting political talk shows. And it used to be matter a lot what they were saying on Sunday news, Sunday talk shows about politics. And one of those was in the McLaughlin group. It had been around for decades by the time that I had joined. John McLaughlin was a, you know, kind of icon in the media circuit up at that time. And there was four different chairs. And one was Pap Buchanan's. One was Eleanor Cliffs. One was Clarence Page. And the fourth was, you know, moving around different people. And I was one of the people. I was there 12 times. And it was actually so great because in most network studios like CNN or Fox or MSNBC, you know, there's a hundred different makeup artists and they're all, you know, they get you in the chair, they get you out of the chair and they get you, you know, moving as quickly as possible. At McLaughlin Group, it was a little bit more on the, on the smaller budget. So

they only had one makeup artist, which was actually great because it was one makeup artist for five people.

And you went to show up two hours early because you have to sit there and get makeup, but

allowed for a lot of downtime to talk

to Clarence, Eleanor, and Pat. And like Pat was like an icon to me. So I got to sit there and kind of

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