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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

It's a Numbers Game: Lee Fang on Donor-Driven Identity Politics, Immigration Failures & the AI Economic Shock

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

iHeartPodcasts

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Daily News

4.511.4K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2026

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

In this wide-ranging conversation, investigative journalist Lee Fang breaks down how wealthy donors shape modern identity politics and why many of today’s most controversial policies are more symbolic than substantive.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.6

Guaranteed Human.

0:07.3

Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Grodesky.

0:09.4

Thank you guys for being here.

0:11.2

How many of you regret your vote for Donald Trump, who are my conservative listeners?

0:16.0

That's the question I want to pose to you in this episode.

0:19.4

If you listen to Progressives in the media or on

0:22.0

television, somehow they all have tons of friends that voted for Trump in November and they just

0:26.8

regret it. They can't live with themselves. They're so upset. They're like, wow, we got it wrong.

0:31.0

Maybe they'll support AOC in 2028. That's what the narrative is going into, you know, the midterm

0:37.3

elections. I have a lot of friends who voted

0:39.2

for Donald Trump, and I racked my brains ahead of this podcast taping to say, how many would

0:43.8

have switched their votes? And I'm, I don't really know any. And I'm sure there are a few who maybe,

0:50.2

maybe not are vocalizing it, or certainly there's a lot who don't agree with everything that he does.

0:53.8

I think that's everybody doesn't agree with everything that everyone does. But progressives in the media are a treasure trove of people who are, you know, they have an endless supply of Trump voters who regretted and won't do, you know, they're going to do better next time. They're not going to, they're all Alyssa Farahs. They're all going to sit there and just change away. Alyssa Farrah is a conservative on the view who voted for Kamala. But what does the data say? Fox News has a poll out that was conducted by Beacon and Shaw research. They do all the Fox News polls and they're, you know, they're fine, they're good. The poll found that Trump's approved writing stands at 44% favorable, 56% unfavorable. One of the better polls

1:29.5

for the president, I might say. Among people that have voted for him, the number is 84% approval

1:35.2

rating. That's almost identical to the 86% in the New York Times that they found just last week,

1:40.9

81% in UGov, 87% in Morning Consult, and 86% in the latest Emerson poll. Usually data drives narratives in the media, people in the media, or, you know, influencers will find special cross tabs. They'll find a cross-tab. They'll say, you know, they'll find a cross-tap of a poll that has a sample size of 20, you know, black Americans,

2:01.2

50 of them will vote for Trump to say, huge swing.

2:03.5

Trump's won't have a majority of the black vote, even though they're not going to.

2:06.5

But they use these cross-tabs with these minor numbers to sit there and show that they're

2:12.7

to have a narrative.

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