what Helena said about like you want your kids to really know you. I think that really gets to the

heart of the matter in terms of what it is to be a present parent. And also like that's what everyone

wants. Our kids want us to know them. You know, just and and to really observe and see and like

you should know your kids as well as anyone in the world until they're, you know, older and

leaving the house. And I think that's what people really want out of these family relationships

is to be really seen. And, you know, you can spend three hours a day with your kids. You can

spend 12 hours a day with your kids and really not choose to see them and

not make them feel seen and have a relationship that's really strained because of that.

Hello, hello. I'm Brittany Luce and you're listening to It's Been a Minute from NPR,

a show about what's going on in culture and why it doesn't

happen by accident. Our story today starts with one Miss Emma Greed. Boss, mom, she eat out. She was

recently in hot water for comments she made on the breakfast club. I want to be really honest about

this. I spend all my time working and I'm a mum of four. I think that I am a core memory mum. I'm not going to walk it back. And the Today Show. I think that what happens to women is that we're held to such an impossible standard, both as parents, but also as business women. And what I'm trying to do is be really honest about what it takes and be really honest about the things that I don't do. Because everybody says, how do you do it all, M.O? How do you wake up at five and run the companies? And I'm like, let's give a list of all the things I don't do. But what I'm interested in isn't the media tour for her new book or the rage bait. I'm interested in the

backlash to the idea that a mom shouldn't have to spend all her time being a parent. And what does

that say about the way we think about moms who work? I'm here with Catherine Jaser Morton, writer of

the brooding column from The Cut, and Helena Andrews Dyer, journalist and author to find out. Catherine, welcome

back to it's been a minute and Helena, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you. It's so good

to have you both here. So I want to start with the visual that Ms. Greed is painting of herself.

A high earning mother who, due to the demands of her various jobs, may not be able to spend

tons of time with her children on an average weekend, but she seeks to make up for that

in other ways in order to give them the life that they deserve.

Why do you think that she has gotten so much

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