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Hello, this is the Red Box podcast. I'm Matt Shulli. Yeah, we're back again. Still going,

still waiting for the end of the Tory leadership contest. All the end of the world as we know it,

whichever comes first. Coming up on today's episode, the big news we got on Saturday. Michael

Gov, backing wishy-soon act, accusing Liz Trusser taking a holiday from reality, but perhaps more

significantly, Michael Gov confirming he's leaving frontline politics, maybe realised that

frontline politics is leaving him. It's all we thought we'd do on the podcast today, because it

just triggered a wave of tributes to him. It's what I cross the political spectrum. So what I

thought I'd do today is take a look at Michael Gov, the man. Is he a genius, or is he just marginally

better than everyone else? So that's a big thing coming up today. Is it really the case that it

must be Gov, Gov, Gov? Before that, we kick off today with our columnist panel No Libby Rachel,

so instead we've got Cowell Lewis and Manpring Run.

The columnist on Times Radio.

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