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It is too hard to build things in America: Can permitting reform begin a new era for energy investment?

Energy Gang

Wood Mackenzie

Tech News, Environment, Sustainability, Innovation, Renewable Energy, Technology, Alternative Energy, Energy, News, Cleantech, Wind Energy, Business, Climate Change, Solar Energy

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 25 May 2026

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

America is facing an energy supply crisis created by surging demand for electricity from data centres. A transition to a lower-carbon system requires massive investment in new clean energy infrastructure. But legal and regulatory structures mean that developing projects in the US is often an uncertain, drawn-out and expensive process.

To take just one example, new transmission infrastructure is vital for connecting renewable generation to concentrations of electricity demand. But the last time the US added more than 1,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines in a year was 2016.

In this episode, host Ed Crooks is joined by Representative Scott Peters to discuss what Congress can do to help fix that. Scott is a Democratic member of the House of Representatives and a co-sponsor of the bipartisan CERTAIN Act, a new bill that attempts to take some of the risk and unpredictability out of the legal procedures for project development.

Along with regular contributor Melissa Lott, Partner for Energy Technologies at Microsoft, they discuss whether reform of the permitting system can really help expedite investment in new energy projects. And they assess how likely it is that Congress will be able to make a deal and get a more streamlined system passed into law. 

The conversation starts with NEPA, the National Environmental Policy Act. Passed in 1970, it is the bedrock for environmental permitting for infrastructure projects. It is also the most litigated environmental statute in the US. A major project can take four years to prepare an environmental impact statement, with another four years of litigation to follow. As Scott points out, when NEPA was written there were few other environmental protections. Now there are dozens, yet the review process has only grown more burdensome.

Melissa frames the core tension: NEPA was designed to inform decisions, not make them. But open-ended review processes have effectively become the decision, determining which projects live or die.

Scott explains the current state of the legislative landscape. There are three key elements of a potential bipartisan agreement on reform. The CERTAIN act sets regular permitting milestones and protects issued permits from arbitrary revocation. The SPEED Act, which has already passed in the House, limits the need for environmental reviews, shortens timetables, and restricts the scope for subsequent challenges in the courts. And there are moves for new legislation specifically to support development of electricity transmission. A final deal in Congress is likely to include all three elements. 

Melissa discusses whether federal reform alone can transform the pace of delivery. Ed raises the question of whether the legal rights and political authorities enshrined in the US system mean that infrastructure development must always be a costly and protracted business. He cites Wood Mackenzie data showing US solar costs are more than double those in China. Scott counters with Texas, where a free-market approach has driven rapid renewable deployment, not because of climate concerns but because the market demanded it.

The politics of permitting reform have shifted. Republicans wanted to limit the federal government’s ability to block oil and gas projects. Now many Democrats support curbs on the executive’s power to obstruct renewable energy development. The issue has risen up the political agenda after the Trump administration moved to block offshore wind projects already under construction, and delayed permits for onshore wind.

Scott closes by arguing that this is the best opportunity for lasting permitting reform that he has seen in his 14 years in Congress.

 

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0:00.0

And they asked how many lines you get built, the answer was zero.

0:03.0

The Democratic witness who had come from the Biden administration, she very cheerfully said, well, 20 states are almost through the 14-step process we set out to do this. And she was not embarrassed, but I was embarrassed. If we weren't looking to build stuff to do a lot of good things with, I don't think we'd be as focused on permitting as we are. look at our energy systems, there's a lot of investment that needs to be made into them for a whole host of reasons. And so how can we get permitting to move faster? You know, I don't think we could have done the interstate highway system with this regime of regulation. I don't know how we do an interstate grid system. Like, how do we get the grid to be not so old, dumb and small?

0:40.1

And small.

0:53.3

Hello and welcome to The Energy Gang, a discussion show from Wood McKenzie about the fast-changing world of energy.

0:56.9

I'm Ed Crooks.

0:58.0

And on the show, we're going to be talking about why it is so hard to build anything in America.

1:03.9

And particularly, obviously, that applies to energy infrastructure.

1:07.7

And we're going to be talking to someone who has a plan to change that. We'll meet him in just a moment. But first, it's a great pleasure to welcome back Melissa a lot. Melissa is a partner for energy technologies at Microsoft. Hi, Melissa. How are you? Hey, Ed, doing well. Hope your day's going well over there. It's sunny here in Seattle, so I'm enjoying the heck out of that. Very nice. Yeah, fantastic. It's great to have you back. It's been a while, hasn't it? I feel

1:30.1

It has. It that. Very nice. Yeah. Fantastic. It's great to have you back. It's been a while, hasn't it? I feel been too long. It has. I saw Amy Jaffe actually last week and we were talking about that. We were scheming for what our next set of, you know, discussions needs to be on. We want to reintroduce nuclear, Ed, but another day, another day. another day. Yes, it's great to be able to welcome you for a runner's shows. Again,

1:45.2

of course, we have to mention Melissa's usual disclaimer that anything she says on the show

1:49.3

is her own personal opinion, not an official statement from Microsoft. And it's also a pleasure to

1:55.5

welcome for the first time Representative Scott Peters. Scott is a Democratic congressman

1:59.7

representing the 50th district of California

2:02.2

in the U.S. House of Representatives. That's the district that includes a good amount of the city of San Diego.

2:08.1

Hello, Scott. Welcome to the show. I know. Thanks for having me. It's sunny here, which I'm used to,

2:13.4

but it's extremely hot, which I'm not used to. Well, Scott, as Ed knows, I'm actually from Texas and lived on the Central Coast for a while in California. And so I miss the heat. I really do. I miss the heat every day. I can wear long jeans in the middle of the hot summer day in Texas. So there you are. Yeah, I have to say, it's actually been glorious weather here in New York City as well. So certainly all of us enjoying here.

2:35.5

In that nice kind of period where it's in the springtime, it's kind of warm but not too

2:40.9

warm.

2:42.1

So we've been enjoying that a lot here as well.

2:45.7

So the reason we're particularly keen to have you on the show, Scott, is because of what you're doing

2:51.4

on permitting reform. Scott is a co-sponsor of the Certain Act, which is create expedited reviews

2:58.9

to transform American infrastructure now, certain, the Certain Act. And that is a bipartisan bill,

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