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Welcome to The Spectator podcast. I'm Isabel Hardman. After another extraordinary week in politics,

with Nigel Farage resigning as UKIP leader and Labour MPs trying still to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn,

the Conservatives are in the middle of choosing a new leader for their party and a Prime Minister

for the country. Most Tory MPs are asking who should come next. But in their cover story for

this week's magazine, Fraser Nelson and James Forsyth ask what should come next. It's time, they say,

to make the Tories into the new workers party,

and appeal to the Labour voters who backed Brexit and may be prepared to consider joining the

Tories. They join me now, along with Matthew Paris, a columnist for The Spectator, and the Times

he writes in this week's magazine that Brexit has made him feel ashamed to be British.

Sir James, you said last week in the magazine that you felt

the Tories had much in common in spite of the feuding. And what did this great unifying agenda

that you and Fraser write about this week that will bring them back together? Well, I think it's essentially

social mobility and popular capitalism. It's understanding that the economy as it is today isn't

working well enough for those

not just at the bottom but those in the middle. But there is a sense and if you're going to

maintain support for kind of centre-right free market liberal economics, it has got to be a sense

that the economy is working for everyone and where it isn't, you have to be prepared to take

steps to try and make sure that it does.

Now, David Cameron was mocked Fraser when he tried to do these sorts of things,

when he first started out as Conservative leader.

How is this not a sort of wishy-washy shift to the sort of knotting hillset who are interested in things like chocolate oranges?

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