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You look at the Israeli government now.

Prime Minister is Benjamin Netanyahu voted in favor.

Defense Minister, Israel Katz, voted in favor.

National Security Advisor, Zachiannebbi, voted in favor.

Most of the Israeli government, the Likud members, voted in favor of this plan.

You know, Sharon used to quote a lot, one of his favorite sentence, and it's a good answer to what you said about Netanyahu and his support for the plan.

In Israel, the future is unclear.

The present is unknown.

Only the past keep on changing.

Thank you. the present is unknown. Only the past keep on changing. It's 3 p.m. on Tuesday, August 12th here in New York City, it is 10 p.m. on Tuesday, August 12th in Israel.

In yesterday's episode, we started a conversation about Israel's 2005 withdrawal from Gaza, which took place 20 years ago.

I was joined by Archimedia contributor Amit Segel and Ari Sharif, who served a senior advisor to former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who led the Gaza withdrawal.

Today's episode is part two of that conversation.

Yesterday, we tried to understand how Prime Minister Sharon is the leader of the right-wingly couped party and a lifelong supporter of Jewish settlements

ended up spearheading the dramatic move to withdraw all 8,000 Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip.

We left off the story right as the Knesset was about to vote on Sharon's disengagement plan on October 26, 2004.

The day started with the general consensus that the plan was dead.

In a shocking turn of events, the withdrawal passed, with even Benjamin

Natanyahu voting in favor of it. Amit still remembers it as the craziest day of his career as a

journalist. Today, we'll discuss the long-term effects of the withdrawal and whether things would

have turned out differently had Sharon remained in power.

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