Now the International Court of Justice, the World's Top Court of course, issued a historic ruling last week.

This was an advisory opinion, but what that means in practice is how these, the top world's judges, understand

international law, what international law says.

And it's on the question of Israel's occupation of Palestine, which is the longest belligerent

occupation in modern times.

And this is at the request of the UN General Assembly at the end of 2022,

so they were asked to do this before the current horrors began,

of course, last October.

Now, there's no better person for me to just talk this through and the brilliant

Ambassador Maged Banya who is deputy permanent observer of the state of Palestine

at the United Nations so a very long-standing Palestinian diplomat based in New York.

Firstly, it's great to see you.

How you doing?

Good to see you.

We've known better times,

but hopefully better times overhead.

Yes, absolutely, and I think, think well we'll talk about that and one of the things I think I'm going to talk to you about is the way public opinion has shifted in many of the states which support an arm Israel and the implications that has an often very lonely fight that you and your other fellow diplomats have been fighting over the last few years. I just want to start

actually just by talking about your your role there. The United Nations of course

represents supposedly all the states that exist in the world.

Palestine has been denied full statehood.

In fact, the United States used its veto

on the Security Council to stop a bid

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