Two things can be true at the same time. That is a fact that has been all but abandoned and the fevered and polarized commentary on the Israel-Hamas war.

This weekend, Israeli forces raided a refugee camp in Gaza and successfully freed four hostages who've been abducted at a music festival on October the 7th.

The Hamas-run health ministry says that 274 people died in that raid,

including children and civilians. The IDF says it killed fewer than a hundred in total,

including Hamas terrorists. But whatever, the real figure, it's obviously horrific.

This was a refugee camp. Children were killed. They are clearly innocent. That doesn't make it any

less horrifying.

The four innocent Israelis were snatched by terrorists at a music festival in the first place,

and no less of a triumph that Israel has now brought them home. These things can all be true

at the same time. And the exact same logic applies to the war itself. Israel had no choice

but to declare war on Hamas for perpetrated

the worst massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust, but it doesn't have a blank check signed in

Palestinian blood to commit repeated atrocities without accountability, especially now that members

of Netanyahu's own government are calling out his failure to explain the Israeli endgame.

To the very many people on both sides have attacked me for saying that,

our question is simply this.

What exactly is wrong with having a moral conscience about innocent people suffering?

And more importantly, where is yours?

Well, joining me now to debate this, journalist and broadcaster Emily Austin,

Palestinian-American commentator Omar Bada, and the host of part of the problem podcast, Dave Smith.

Well, Dave, let me start with you, actually.

A lot of people are part of the problem, it seems to me.

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