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The Brian Lehrer Show

Israel's Defense Against South Africa's Accusation of Genocide

The Brian Lehrer Show

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🗓️ 12 January 2024

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

South Africa has brought a case to the International Court of Justice accusing Israel of committing a genocide against Palestinians living in the occupied territories. Julian Borger, world affairs editor at The Guardian, discusses the hearings at the ICJ and why Israel has decided to engage in the debate rather than ignore the accusations entirely.

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0:00.0

It's the Brian Layer Show on WNYC. Good morning again everyone.

0:15.0

You've been hearing on the news that yesterday and today

0:18.0

the International Court of Justice has been hearing South Africa's claim that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and hearing

0:25.8

Israel's defense.

0:27.6

For example, South Africa says Israel is targeting not just Hamas, but all Palestinians in Gaza and that the level of Israel's killing

0:35.4

is so extensive that nowhere in Gaza is safe. Israel presented its case

0:40.3

today. What they said going into it was that they're only killing as many

0:46.4

civilians as necessary to stop Hamas from staging more attacks like the one on October 7th,

0:54.1

an attack that Israel says was itself

0:57.5

with genocidal intent, which Israel emphasizes

1:00.8

was the most deadly attack anywhere on Jews since the Holocaust.

1:05.0

So we'll see how the court rules and to what effect.

1:08.4

Meanwhile, since yesterday's show, the US and Great Britain have become more directly involved in the

1:14.0

shooting war in the region, dropping bombs that reportedly struck at

1:18.0

the 60 targets in 16 locations around Yemen, aiming at the military capabilities of the Iran-backed

1:25.4

Huti rebels. President Biden said quote these strikes are in direct response to

1:30.0

unprecedented Huti attacks against international maritime vessels in the Red Sea,

1:36.2

including the use of anti-ship ballistic missiles

1:39.0

for the first time in history, unquote,

1:42.0

from President Biden.

1:43.6

We'll talk about both these developments now

1:45.5

with Julian Borger, the Guardian's World Affairs editor.

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