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Welcome to the LRB podcast. I'm your host, Adam Schatz, and my guest today are two of the most distinguished and incisive commentators on the politics of Israel-Palestine. Mouin Rabani, a co-editor

of Jadalia, formerly an analyst at the International

Crisis Group, and Nathan Thrawl, a journalist in Jerusalem, who until recently was also an

analyst at the International Crisis Group.

Mouin and Nathan have both published recent pieces in the LRB, and Nathan has just published

a 20,000-word work of reportage in the New York Review of Books Online, a day in the LRB, and Nathan has just published a 20,000 word work of reportage in the New York

Review of Books Online, a day in the life of Abed Salama, which, although it appears in the pages

of our friendly competitor, I strongly urge our listeners to read. So thank you for joining us today

on the LRB podcast, Mouin and Nathan. Pleasure to be with here. Yeah, thanks for having us.

Mouin, I'd like to start by asking you something about your piece on Israel's response to the COVID crisis.

Israel has been widely praised for its efforts to vaccinate its citizens and has used this as part of its self-celebration campaign.

But millions of stateless people under Israel's authority have been essentially left out.

Can you give us a sense of the discrepancy between Israel's claims and the realities on the ground?

Yeah. Thanks, Adam. I think there are two ways to look at this.

The first is to look at Israel the way you would at any other country. You know, you could compare it to

Denmark or Vietnam or Canada. And then if you look at Israel's vaccination strategy,

it would appear to be extraordinarily successful,

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