We're going to bomb them back to the Stone Ages where they belong.

That's what Donald Trump said in his address to the nation last night, with no sense whatsoever of how long this war, which has already gone on now for over a month, how long that will last.

He's even pointed to previous wars, such as the Vietnam War and the Iraq War, to point out how long they went on for.

And this is only, you know, a few weeks in comparison, which is ominous. We're going to talk about this war. We're going to talk about what's going on with Israel, obviously, which is one of the two states, which is waging the war, obviously on Iran, along with the United States. Where is this all heading? What does this all mean? There's no better

guest to talk over this with Gideon Levy, the brilliant Israeli journalist who is a titan

of moral clarity and courage. We've not spoken for waiting on Gideon, so it's so good to see you,

looking well, full of health. It's so good to see you again, I will.

It's been way too long, which is...

Absolutely. Absolutely.

It is your fault.

I will take all the blame.

I will take accountability.

I'm happy to do that.

I'm happy, you know, there's a long list of things, but, you know, I'll add it on.

I just want to start just with what Donald Trump said there. And it's just, you know,

we're in his 2026. There was this old view, wasn't there of human development, which, you know,

perished and it should have perished on the sum or at least out of its Berkinau, which is that

things get more enlightened and progressive, the Whigish view of history, they call it.

But nonetheless, the fact that, you know, we saw what happened with Gaza, the genocide, the depravity, the rhetoric.

I mean, do you think that's what, you know, this is just now normalized, completely normalized, the way, a lot of people

don't even blink when Donald Trump says we're going to bomb Iran back to Stone Ages.

So, for, first of all, people are blinking here.

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