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The Owen Jones Podcast

Israel Is Guilty Of Terrorism Too

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

News & Politics, News, Government, Politics

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2023

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

It’s time for some consistency.

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0:00.0

Terrorism. This is a word that we hear a lot and we've heard about it a lot since the current round of horror began on October 7th

0:06.3

and I say current round because clearly what we're all seeing didn't begin on the 7th of October.

0:11.3

Now terrorism is a term that is supposedly only to be applied to lights of Hamas and for example the atrocities that it committed against innocent civilians back on October 7th.

0:21.9

Now we may have watched perhaps here's Morgan, her angry Jamie Corbyn about whether Hamas are terrorists.

0:28.4

Well, I'm going to explain why I think Israel is also guilty of terrorism but terrorism on a grand scale and how that should be an absolutely focal point of this whole discussion.

0:41.3

Now I usually avoid using the term terrorism amidst all of this because it's so ideological and contested,

0:47.1

I tend to use terms like war crimes and crimes, crimes against humanity which are easy to define under international law and can be alleged against any entity,

0:55.5

whatever its form, however big, however small, whether it's a state which claims to be democratic or one that's clearly a dictatorship,

1:02.3

whether it's a guerrilla force or paramilitary force or terrorist organization.

1:06.5

And the thing with terrorism is it offers a means for states which are themselves guilty of using huge violence against civilians to achieve political goals to declare that their violence is legitimate.

1:16.2

Their violence is moral but the violence of others is illegitimate any moral.

1:20.8

Now we all know of course the famous adage one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

1:25.6

The African National Congress were famously considered a terrorist organization during the anti apartheid struggle.

1:32.4

There's an important caveat there should be noted that over the space of eight years between 1976 and 1984 the ANC's paramilitary wing killed a total of 71 people,

1:41.4

52 of whom were civilians and 19 were security force members.

1:45.4

They apologized for these deaths after apartheid fell, clearly you can't just lump that in with what happened on October 7th.

1:52.0

But as for Hamas today, the BBC and other broadcasters don't call them terrorists which has caused widespread controversy.

1:58.8

Partly because it means taking a part of you which would compromise their reporting but it would also place BBC reporters at risk.

2:05.5

Their ability to report on Palestine would be compromised and indeed endangered.

2:10.3

But it also would open a kind of worms because clearly a lot of people, myself included, would argue for consistency what about Israel.

2:17.0

So now if we use for example the definition of the UK terrorism act of 2000.

2:22.1

Terrorism is the use or threat of one or more of certain actions as either influence the government or an international government or intimidate the public.

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