Israel-Gaza – Will anybody stop Netanyahu?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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The continued assault of the Israeli armed forces amid a growing humanitarian crisis in Gaza has drawn global criticism. Yet the question remains – who will intervene to end the conflict and restrain Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu? Donald Trump’s recent trip to the Middle East saw the US President looking to broker deals in the region - including the potential for a new deal with Israel's rivals Iran. But is Trump also willing to take a new approach to intervene over Gaza? In the latest episode of This Is Not A Drill, Gavin Esler talks to Gregg Carlstrom, Middle East correspondent for The Economist. • This episode of This Is Not A Drill is supported by Incogni, the service that keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – go to https://incogni.com/notadrill to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Advertising helps fund our podcasts, but we know some people would prefer the shows without adverts.
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0:16.4	Follow the link in the show notes to find out more.
0:28.3	The horrors of Gaza are taking place in plain sight.
0:33.6	Surgeons, other healthcare workers and those few outside observers who may manage to enter Gaza have told their shocking eyewitness stories of starvation, lack of water as well as food,
0:40.0	along with constant Israeli airstrikes and other attacks that kill not just militants,
0:44.6	but also non-competence, children, medical workers and others.
0:49.0	The former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has now said it looks as though the Netanyahu
0:53.4	government is committing
0:54.6	war crimes, and others, including several hundred British lawyers and two former Supreme Court
1:00.3	justices, have used the more emotive term genocide. So what is now going on in Gaza? Does Israel's
1:08.2	Prime Minister Netanyahu have anything resembling a strategy?
1:11.9	Can outsiders do much or do anything? And how divided is Israel now about a war that many friends
1:18.2	and allies believe needs to end and end soon? I'm Gavin Esler and this is not a drill. After the much publicised recent visit of Donald Trump to the region and his positive meetings with Arab leaders,
1:53.6	the conflict that began with a horrific attack on Israel in October 2023 has reshaped the politics of an entire region, or some light on where this
2:03.4	conflict is now, where it may end, and the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza, and joined from the
2:09.4	United Arab Emirates by Greg Karlstrom, Middle East correspondent for the Economist magazine.
2:14.5	Greg, welcome to This is Not a Drill. Where are we now? Take us through how you see things having developed.
2:22.4	Well, we are two and a half, almost three months now into an Israeli blockade of Gaza, a near total Israeli blockade of Gaza, and the resumption of the war, which, of course, had ended for
2:37.7	about two months earlier this year with a ceasefire that Israel and Hamas agreed to in January.
2:44.5	Israel broke that ceasefire in March. And on the diplomatic front and on the military front, I think you could say that
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