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Hello and welcome to the podcast, the mothership, the place that began it all.

We actually looked it up today, Corey, and Ed, and the podcast, the first one we can find anywhere online was in September 2015

which is something and I think it was Corey Rosa and Bob Kagan.

Just just just as Just as I'm just I'm just throwing that out just throwing that out just throwing that out there. So we're approaching nine years of this conversation.

And I am delighted each and every. nine years of this conversation.

And I am delighted each and every week when we have it.

Of course, this week we are joined, as ever,

by Corey Shockey of the American Enterprise Institute.

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