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The Owen Jones Podcast

Israel Declares War On United Nations

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Politics, Government, News & Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2023

⏱️ 12 minutes

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This is how a rogue state behaves.

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0:00.0

What is a rogue state? We've heard that term bandied around a lot in the past, particularly in the

0:04.3

northeast, particularly after 9-11, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, you get the gist. Well, if we're going

0:10.3

to start talking about rogue states again, I think we do need to talk about the state of Israel.

0:15.9

As I've been noting a lot since this will begin, Israel is a state which is in serial defiance

0:22.8

of international laws. Specifically, it's a legal occupation of Palestinian land, the theft of land

0:28.4

in the West Bank, those illegal settlements. But it is seriously breaking, again, as I keep

0:34.8

noting, international law right now in Gaza, the norms of war, collective punishment,

0:38.8

forceful displacement, mass bombardment of civilian populations we could go on. But now look at

0:44.2

their attitude towards the United Nations, which whatever you think about it will set up amidst

0:48.6

the carnage of World War II in an effort to prevent the great horrors humanity inflicted on each other,

0:54.5

repeating themselves. Now, we're totally worthy critiques of the United Nations to say the least,

1:00.7

given a lot of UN states are human rights abuses, like as well. The fact that in practice,

1:07.6

the world order isn't governed by a law in which all law equals, where none are above the law,

1:13.6

in practice great powers and their allies can behave with impunity, which in the current context

1:19.1

means that the only super power that remains the United States can behave in impunity.

1:24.2

And it's allies, the likes of Saudi Arabia, for example. And yes, like Israel.

1:31.1

Now, going to war against the United Nations is a bit, well, how do we put it, rogue-statey,

1:38.4

I would say. This week the Secretary General Antonio Guterres said that what to any rational,

1:44.2

sensible, reasonable person assessing the facts should be uncontroversial. He specifically condemned

1:51.2

Hamas and the atrocities that they committed. He said Hamas's October 7 murder and kidnapped

1:58.1

attacks were appalling. He said nothing can justify the deliberate killing,

2:02.7

injuring a kidnapping of civilians or the launching of rockets against civilian

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