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Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Israel At War Week VIII: Speak of the Devil - with Michael Milshtein

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Unholy Media

News, Yonit Levi, Israel, Israel Podcast, Jonathan Freedland, Middle East, Jewish, Religion & Spirituality, Jews, Society & Culture

4.7680 Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2023

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

After a week of intense emotion - a rollercoaster road combining relief, joy, anxiety, and dread for the families of Israelis held hostage by Hamas - Yonit and Jonathan discuss where this leaves a war that threatens to restart at any moment. Plus a conversation with Michael Milshtein, Israel’s foremost expert on Hamas - with a series of shocking insights into Yahya Sinwar, mastermind of the 7 October massacre and the man they call “the Butcher”. -- Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unholypodcast/Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1150578065793142See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0

A week of intense emotion, joy and relief as hostages are reunited with their families in Israel,

0:08.8

all coming against the backdrop of a truce, a pause in fighting between Israel and Hamas.

0:15.9

We'll be speaking to one of Israel's leading experts on Hamas.

0:21.1

It's unholy. I'm Jonathan Friedland of The Guardian in London.

0:25.0

And I'm Unlevy of Channel 12 in Tel Aviv.

0:37.1

Unholy to Jews on the news, this has definitely been the emotional roller coaster week here in Israel.

0:45.0

I mean, really, Jonathan, just to see the sheer joy of hostages coming home, of children being released. When we started talking about this last week,

0:57.2

we said the number 50. There have now been 78 Israeli hostages coming back, 36 out of them,

1:06.7

are children, kids, teenagers until the age of 18. I mean, this is really a remarkable thing to

1:13.8

see. You see families united. You see things that if you had asked me two or three weeks ago

1:19.2

when we were really in the sort of depths of despair here, I mean, that is something that

1:24.2

I think Israelis maybe didn't allow themselves to imagine that this is something

1:28.9

that can happen. And it has. And it really, you know, you need to sort of pause on that. And

1:35.1

we will talk about that a little bit more. But with that sheer joy comes the sheer dread of what

1:42.1

the people who are still in captivity are going through because the testimonies

1:47.1

of the people who have been in captivity are coming out and you realize little by little by putting

1:52.8

all these pieces of the puzzle of this really terrible puzzle together, you realize what they

1:58.2

have been going through. So the ups and downs of this week, I think someone

2:01.9

described it in my studio during one of these endless broadcasts of the hostages coming home.

2:07.0

It feels like Memorial Day and Independence Day all wrapped into one, right? It's like 200% happiness,

2:12.6

200% despair. Just thinking about the fact that so many of these families coming back,

2:17.2

the hostages

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