Now Guinea-Lévy is the most, in my view, courageous journalists in Israel.

He's been speaking truth throughout this horror and that's not easy to do in the climate which

exists in Israel at the moment.

Moral clarity, the last time I interviewed Gideon Levy

was a few months ago, and the term I used was moral clarity

and it's rare that I've come across someone I think who just personifies that.

So it's really a great honor getting to be joined to talk to you in these

unrelentingly bleak and horrific times.

So hello.

Thank you for having me again Owen.

Always pleasure really.

Yeah well I can I can't say enough how much of the pleasure it is.

I want to start by talking about the world central kitchen massacre.

Now let's be clear, 200 aid workers have already been killed overwhelmingly

Palestinians and they haven't had attention.

I'm not trying to detract from the horror that

the families of those seven aid workers are feeling but that's why this suddenly has

caused a crisis or some description. Before I talk about that though I just want to

talk about the investigation which the Israeli authorities have now conducted. And I just want your thoughts because this was an aid at World Central Kitchen

coordinating with the IDF in a supposedly

de-conflicted zone.

They gave their coordinates on a pre-approved routes

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