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Pantsuit Politics

Israel and Gaza Today

Pantsuit Politics

Lemonada Media

News, News Commentary, Politics, Society & Culture

4.54.9K Ratings

🗓️ 22 August 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

How have our perspectives changed since October 7th? Sarah and Beth open up about the difficulty of covering a conflict where any words will cause pain to someone. They share how their perspectives have evolved since October 7th and grapple with the moral complexities of Israel's actions, America's role, and what comes next. How do you hold complexity without losing moral clarity? Sarah and Beth explore how the Israeli government's actions have shifted their thinking, the limits of international law, and whether America should continue military aid without conditions. What is the best summer reading? In Outside of Politics, Sarah breaks down her summer reading wins and fails, from nonfiction gems to "trash" novels, while Beth plans her "fiction fall" reading list. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Lemonada.

0:02.7

This is Sarah Stewart Holland.

0:16.3

This is Beth Silvers.

0:17.6

You're listening to Pantsuit Politics.

0:19.9

It has been over five months since we have spoken about Gaza on the show.

0:25.2

We can offer a litany of reasons. The news won't stop. The summer is hard. But really, it's because we didn't know what to say.

0:34.6

What do you say when you know, no matter what you say, it will cause pain to someone?

0:41.2

We can't condemn Israel strongly enough for some, and we can't defend Israel strongly enough for

0:47.2

others. This isn't just a sensitive topic. It is a gaping wound in the side of the human race. Some of us might do a better job of

0:59.6

others than avoiding it, but we are all affected. But we do need to talk about it, and we are asking

1:07.8

everyone listening to the sound of our voices right now to hear us say, all we can do is trying.

1:13.2

We're going to try to talk about the situation in Gaza.

1:16.0

And instead of doing our usual before we get started dance today, we're just going to reserve that time on the advice of a beloved listener for all of us to take a deep breath and ground ourselves as best we can and embrace

1:28.8

the next moments of silence before we start to fill them with words, knowing from the beginning

1:34.3

that our words will not be enough. We're going to be. We're going to be. We're going to be a good.

1:46.0

And we're going to be.

1:48.0

It's a very.

1:49.0

It's a very,

1:50.0

the next to be a very,

1:51.0

a very,

1:52.0

so.

1:55.0

I'm going to Beth, I was struck by the realization that there's not even an agreed upon entry into this conversation.

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