‘Islamists will exploit Labour’s “Islamophobia” ban’ | UK terror tsar Jonathan Hall

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🗓️ 11 March 2026

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Jonathan Hall KC – the UK government’s independent reviewer of terrorism legislation – warns that Labour’s new definition of ‘anti-Muslim hostility’ is not fit for purpose. Here he tells spiked’s Georgina Mumford that it will not only fail in its aim of tackling prejudice against Muslims – it will also censor vital discussion on Islamism, terrorism and immigration, potentially emboldening religious hardliners and extremists. Get tickets for the spiked summit – a brand-new flagship live event bringing spiked’s writers and high-profile friends together for a day of bold debate, live Q&As and on-stage exchanges in Westminster, London. Find out more and book here: https://www.spiked-online.com/event/spiked-summit/ Read spiked: https://www.spiked-online.com/ Support spiked: https://www.spiked-online.com/support/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	What I've dedicated my life to is revenge.
0:04.7	A brand new drama based on the best-selling novel.
0:07.5	They think they're better than us.
0:08.5	Who do you think you are?
0:09.8	I'm going to prove to them that they're wrong.
0:11.5	She's punishing me.
0:13.0	You destroyed my family.
0:14.3	I will not rest until I've destroyed yours.
0:17.0	A woman of substance on Channel 4 starts tonight at 9.
0:20.1	I'm convinced there's a link between hatred of people and terrorism.
0:25.3	I don't need persuasion of that.
0:26.8	I don't think a definition of any sort of hatred is going to help.
0:30.2	My worry actually is about what happens with this definition when it escapes into the real world
0:34.7	and how it's used by real people.
0:37.1	Is with a loose definition,
0:39.2	we are going to tend towards more censorship.
0:42.5	I'm not worried about me.
0:43.5	I'm not worried about central government.
0:44.8	I am worried, though, about all the tiers of organisations, private public bodies that
0:49.7	make up real life.
0:50.9	I just don't think that the anti-Muslims of hatred definition is going to help and I think it will do more harm than good.
1:00.9	Hello, I'm Georgina Mumford and I'm delighted to be joined today by independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, Jonathan Hall. Welcome, Jonathan.
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