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excludes plug-in hybrids, Delantis Financial Services. Sadly, I think what happened is most Muslims started to define themselves as being against the West.

So if the West was going to be individualistic, well, we were going to be collectivist.

So if the West was going to be logical, we're going to be excessively emotional and angry.

That might not have been spelled out, but it came down to if the West is going to disregard history,

or we are going to reimagine a perfect form of history.

That was Ed Hussein talking to Tom Holland about the history of Islam

and the challenges it faces in the modern world.

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