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In the March issue of the Atlantic, journalist Graham Wood wrote an article about the religious motivations of ISIS that quickly became

the most read story the Atlantic has ever published online.

It's called what ISIS really wants. And in it he says, make no mistake.

ISIS is Islamic, very Islamic, and the only way to fight them is to understand their medieval brand of Islam.

But a heated debate is brewing online about how accurate that is. Graham's reporting has been criticized for ignoring

important debates among mainstream Muslim scholars and for making too close a

link between ISIS and Islam.

One of what's most respected critics is Yasir Kadi,

a popular voice in the American Muslim community and an assistant professor of religion at Rhodes College.

He says that Woods article is, quote,

Tannam out to shouting fire in a crowded theater and deserves a rebuttal.

So we decided to take him up on that.

We've asked both Yasir-Kati and Graham Wood to respond to each other directly and to help us understand why this story

has provoked such a strong debate online.

So welcome to both of you, Graham and Yasser.

Thank you.

Thank you for having you on the show.

Now, Graham, I'll start with you.

I think the thing that's gotten the most attention is the question of whether members of

ISIS are actually following Islam and you wrote and

I'm quoting here the reality is that the Islamic state is Islamic very Islamic Can you explain your position here?

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