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and Hello and welcome to Angry Planet. I'm Jason Fields. Most Americans thought the fight

against ISIS was over with the fall of Raka, but on August, at least 169 Afghans and 13 U.S. troops were killed in Kabul by a group calling

itself ISIS K. Islamic State apparently lives on.

Jobe Work of the Washington Post joins us to talk about ISIS, how it started and what it is now.

And he's actually been on the show before and we're glad to have him back again.

So thanks very much for being with us.

Hey Jason, great to be back.

You wrote a book actually a few years ago called Black Flags, the Rise of ISIS. So I think you're probably the right person to ask this question.

What's the great centralizing idea behind Islamic State?

Well, thank you again for having me and this is such an important topic. I mean right now

particularly as we're trying to contemplate what happens next in Afghanistan and ISIS is one of the

players there. So it is important to understand what they're about.

And really they have two great ideas, I think.

And what is that you're more likely to attract followers

if you give them something tangible to fight for.

In the case of the Islamic State, it was the creation of this caliphate. It was kind of a

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