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This is the Politics and More podcast.

I'm David Remnick.

Since the killing of George Floyd, we've seen not just a protest

movement, but something like a historical reckoning. A lot of white Americans seem willing,

at least more willing, to address the reality of systemic racism in the present day. We're

learning terms like tone policing, white fragility,

and anti-racism. Isabel Wilkerson would like to introduce another term to our lexicon, and that's the

term caste. Wilkerson argues that what we have in the United States is a rigid social hierarchy

akin to the caste system in India.

She writes,

We cannot fully understand the current upheavals

or most any turning point in American history

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