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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shultz, the Spectator's Daily Politics podcast. I'm Isabel Hardman and this is the Sunday Roundup.

The Prime Minister has been attending the annual Munich Security Conference, where the prospective Russian invasion of Ukraine is very much at the top of the agenda.

Sophie Rayworth caught up with Boris Johnson yesterday, following a speech he made warning of the

disaster that war would bring. Johnson said he still believed Vladimir Putin was ready to orchestrate

such a crisis at any moment. I'm afraid that that is what the evidence points to, Sophie, and there's no burnishing it,

there's no hiding it.

The fact is that all the signs are that the plan has already, in some senses, begun.

That's what our American friends think think and you're seeing these provocations

now in Donbass. You're starting to see these explosions and so on that we've been warning

about for a long time. And I'm afraid to say that the plan that we're seeing is for something

that could be really the biggest war in

Europe since 1945, just in terms of sheer scale. You're looking at not just an invasion

through the east, through the Donbass, but according to the intelligence that we're

seeing, coming down from the north,

down from Belarus, and actually encircling Kiev itself,

as Joe Biden explained to a lot of us last night.

And, you know, I think people need to understand

that the sheer cost in human life that that could entail, not just for Ukrainians, but also for

Russians and for young Russians. And that was the point that I was trying to make earlier on in my

speech today. President Putin has around 150,000 troops masked on those borders. He has the

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