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Hello and welcome to your coffee house shop, Suspectators Daily Politics Podcast. I'm

Isabelle Hardman and this is the Sunday Roundup. No Conservative Party leadership

races ever without drama. One of the biggest rifts from Friday's TV debate was when Penny

Mordent denied that she had ever been in favour of a self-identification policy for transgender

people while she was an equality's minister. Her rivals, Kemy Beddonock and Liz Truss,

suggested this was not true and leaked documents reported in the Sunday Times today appear

to back this up.

Speaking to Sophie Raeworth, Mordent sought to defend her record on the issue.

You've been accused of changing your mind on this. I just want to give you the chance

to completely clear it up now. Quite simply, do you think trans people should have to get

a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before they can legally change their gender?

Yes and if you look at the article in the Sunday Times today, that is stated very clearly

in that document. This has been rebutted many times and I have to say we all know what's

going on and I say this is the type of toxic politics that people want to get away from.

The poor British public have a month of this to go. They've got a month of us choosing

their prime minister and it's an opportunity for our party to show ourselves at our best

and we should be talking and focusing on the issues that concern them.

So if you did believe that, so you just to be very clear, you think that trans people

should have to get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before they can legally change their

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