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The Political Scene | The New Yorker

Isaac Chotiner Sums Up Politics in 2025

The Political Scene | The New Yorker

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🗓️ 18 December 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

The New Yorker staff writer Isaac Chotiner joins Tyler Foggatt to reflect on several of the most notable interviews he conducted in 2025. They discuss competing theories about the origins of political violence over the past year, how to understand President Trump’s approach to power in his second term, and the challenges of covering an Administration that rarely appears to be driven by a coherent ideological framework. They also revisit two high-profile interviews: one with the former White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, about her decision to leave the Democratic Party, and another with the legal scholar Cass Sunstein, on the limits of “big tent” politics and his curious friendship with Henry Kissinger. 

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0:00.0

Hey, Isaac.

0:07.9

Hey, Tyler. How are you?

0:09.1

Good. Thanks so much for being here.

0:10.9

My pleasure.

0:11.9

I guess I wonder, like, what you kind of see your goal is, you know, when you're seeking out interviews.

0:16.8

Like, if it's to provide people with contacts or maybe like a different take on an issue that

0:22.7

they're probably already following closely or is it to like introduce them to information

0:27.5

that they never would have encountered otherwise?

0:30.0

Yeah, I think sometimes it's to kind of narrow down and focus on something that I myself

0:34.9

of having trouble understanding and really want to try and laser in on.

0:38.9

I did a lot of interviews about the humanitarian situation in Gaza, especially when Israel cut off

0:44.5

aid. And I think the reason that I was interested in that was because I really kind of wanted

0:49.1

to understand the mechanism of how the aid shut off was working. and then the sort of basically half-hearted attempts

0:55.7

to increase food in the months after the total age shutoff. And so that was an area where I just

1:02.7

thought, if I could do multiple interviews on it, I could try and understand and hopefully

1:06.2

explain to readers exactly what was going on and the intentions of the principal parties, in this case,

1:12.7

Israel and the United States. So that's definitely one thing. It's sometimes trying to understand

1:17.4

kind of breaking news. It's sometimes trying to kind of laser focus on an issue and do a bunch of

1:23.3

things on it to try and get a sort of broader understanding of it. And sometimes it's to try and highlight

1:28.4

something that I don't think is getting much attention. And I think hopefully sometimes is to do

1:33.7

interviews that are, you know, somewhat lighter and dare I say even fun or interesting to readers

1:39.1

in a lighthearted manner. Those are kind of the different goals that I have with the interviews.

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