I'm more explicit than you are.

I'm like, what you're doing here is this, and you look like an idiot.

And I actually say you look like an idiot.

And it tends to work, especially with men.

You can try it here if you want.

No, that's okay.

You're not. I don't need to.

I would if I had to.

It's on. Hi, everyone from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. This is on with Kara Swisher, and I'm

Kara Swisher. My guest today is Isaac Chotner. He's a staff writer for the New Yorker and a principal

contributor to the magazine's Q&A series.

Chotner is famous for his intense and sometimes relentless ways of questioning his guests.

Last year, he went viral for contentious conversations with former White House press secretary

Corrine Jean-Pierre and legal scholar Cass Sunstein.

Chotner also isn't afraid to call out other journalists when he thinks they're

reporting lacks substance, something I completely endorse. I like what Isaac is doing, and one of the

things I'm going to do this year is focus on people whose work I like. And of course, since we do

interviews all year long, I want to talk to someone who I think is one of the better interviewers

these days, in fact, one of the better interviewers these days,

in fact, one of the best. He's doing a lot of things that other people aren't, which is sort of

celebrating his own idiosyncratic style, and also really drilling down and getting real

answers out of people, something I try to do and not always successful at doing, and he often,

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