Okay, what about telling people? Is it okay to invite people and be overly excited about the sober

versary with people that don't drink? Okay, this is the problem. We did discuss it briefly

yesterday in our little day at Hamish, is that I talk too much about sobriety to people that

don't give a shit. So the perfect example was me at a kids party on Saturday morning and I was chatting to a woman, hello, how are you, where are you from? And I got a message that came up on my phone where we were chatting and it beeped and it was from someone going, I love your podcast, ah, da, da, and I showed the woman the message. Oh, okay. Yeah. I said, oh, look at this. Like these lovely messages. Because I'm excited and I'm proud and I didn't know what else to talk about. I said, oh, look at this lovely message I got. I said, I do a podcast and I get these lovely messages all the time. And she was sort of like, I don't give a fuck. Like, why are you showing me? Yeah. And I went really red because I knew that I'd overstep the mark, which I do all the time because I get exciting and go, oh yeah, we get 100,000 downloads a month and la, la, la, la. I'm socially awkward anyway, but then when I don't know what to say, I brag about being sober.

Yes.

It's an issue for me, Hamish.

I'm embarrassed by myself.

I guess, yeah, if you were to meet someone new and have our conversation with them, it would come up.

I'm not sure if it would for me.

I don't know if that's good or bad.

Like, it's awesome that you're proud of it.

And then I do a podcast for a job is a cool conversation. Yeah. Talking to people about jobs is pretty dull, but a podcast is, is like something to cling on to and actually have a fun conversation about. Yeah. And it does open up interesting conversations. People then, you know, who aren't sober often tell us about their path to maybe thinking about being sober. Yes, I mean, that's why I do it. It does open up good conversations.

I do get more bad, awkward reactions like that than good positive ones. Yeah, I do too. I need to, I'm learning a little bit to try and keep it in, but I get very excited. Because I'm proud of what I've achieved in this five years.

I want to blurt it out.

I want to vomit it on people. And it is really embarrassing and I've got to stop doing it. It's just, I don't know. I think it's important to pick your crowd on this one. I agree that most people don't really care, which is a shame. You know, if somebody told me, I don't know though. if I was a drinker and somebody said it was their soberversary,

I probably would have turned my back and walked away on them, quite honestly.

No. You know, if somebody told me, I don't know, though, if I was a drinker and somebody said it was their soberversary, I probably would have turned my back and walked away on them, quite honestly.

No, you're polite. You would pretend to give a shit.

Maybe. Yeah, my pride spills over sometimes and it makes situations very awkward, Hamish. I will tell anyone that listens, but I think I need to start stepping back. I want to be a bit cooler about it. And so if they ask me what my job is, I will tell them, but I'm not just going to go, hello, I do a podcast. It gets 100,000 downloads. I just get over-excited. It is embarrassing. And I do apologize to anyone that's to experience that, but I will try and do better. I don't think you could be cooler.

I think you just are the level of cool that you are. Oh, yes. I like the way this is going. And that's just the way that you have to live your life. I don't think you can pretend to be, I don't think you can practice cool. I think Hamish, it has also something to do with our people pleasing episode. Because like I went to this this lovely evening, the other evening, which was this paint and sip for my friend's birthday.

But I do find myself filling in the silences quite

a lot it's just a habit that I have I want to make people feel comfortable so therefore I talk

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