Welcome to Pot Safe America. I'm Dan Pfeiffer. And I'm Melissa Murray. As our listeners know well, Melissa is the co-host of our

excellent legal podcast, strict scrutiny, a law professor at NYU and an MSNBC legal analyst. Melissa,

it is always great to have you on Pod Save America. Thanks for having me back. Really great to be here.

Well, you're one of the smartest people I know, not just on legal issues, but on all things.

And we have plenty to talk about in the legal world. And I would say very little of it is good.

But let's start with the news because there's a lot out there these days.

Before we get into the latest with Trump and his nominees, let's talk about the United Healthcare killing.

This story is showing some real staying power, both for predictable reasons. It's a

cinematic murder with spooky clues and a mysterious anti-hero. I believe a handsome anti-hero also

should be said. I think that is a big part of the same power. I was going to leave. I mean, he seems

attractive to me. I'm very comfortable saying that, but they teach the Rhone, I would say. Would. Yes.

Correct. Correct.

Correct.

But also for less predictable ones, namely the way this story has launched a conversation about our for-profit healthcare system.

John, John, and Tommy talked about the discourse around the murder on the Tuesday pod,

but that was before we knew anything about the accused killer.

Do you have a take on this story and why it's become such a cultural moment?

Well, I think for all of the reasons that you all have rehearsed on the pod, health care sucks.

Healthcare sucks in this country.

Obamacare was a huge step forward, but it still leaves in place, a largely insurance-based

system of health care provision, which is really difficult for lay

people to navigate even in the best of circumstances. And the circumstances of this killing

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