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The New Yorker Radio Hour

Is Voting Safe?

The New Yorker Radio Hour

WNYC Studios and The New Yorker

News, Wnyc, David, Arts, Yorker, Society & Culture, Storytelling, Books, New, Remnick, Politics

4.2 • 6.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 October 2018

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

For democracy to function, we have to trust and accept the results of elections. But that trust is increasingly difficult to maintain in a world where malicious actors like the G.R.U., the Russian intelligence agency, have been actively probing our election systems for technological vulnerabilities. Sue Halpern, who reports on election security, spoke with the researcher Logan Lamb, who found a massive amount of information from the Georgia election system sitting unsecured on the Internet. The information included election officials’ passwords and the names and addresses of voters, and Lamb made the discovery during the time that (according to the Mueller investigation) Russian hackers were probing the system. Georgia is one of a number of states that do not use any paper backup for their balloting, so suspected hacking of voting machines or vote tabulators can be nearly impossible to prove. On top of this, new restrictive voting laws purge voters who, for instance, haven’t voted in the last few elections, so hackers can disenfranchise voters by deleting or changing information in the databases—without tampering with the tallied votes. Susan Greenhalgh of the National Election Defense Coalition tells Halpern that while some states are inclined to resist federal assistance in their election operations, they are poorly equipped to fight cyber-battles on their own. Plus, the story of explorer Henry Worsley, who set out at fifty-five ski to ski alone across Antarctica, hauling more than three hundred pounds of gear and posting an audio diary by satellite phone. New Yorker staff writer David Grann spoke with Worsley’s widow, Joanna, about the painful choice she made to support her husband in an endeavor that seemed fatal.

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0:00.0

From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is The New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of the New Yorker and WNYC Studios.

0:10.0

Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. When we first began learning of Russian interference in the 2016 election, which seemed absolutely mind-boggling at the time, something that just couldn't happen.

0:21.5

It was often said that Russia had hacked the election. We quickly learned a more specific,

0:26.7

more accurate way of putting it. Russia had influenced the election by manipulating political

0:31.2

messages on Facebook and so on. But they hadn't exactly gone into election computer systems and altered the results.

0:38.5

Not exactly.

0:39.5

Now, if foreign agents could actually change the outcome of an election, that would be, and

0:44.2

you can't say this lightly, an existential threat to American democracy.

0:49.3

But what we've learned since 2016 is, if somebody really did want to hack the election, it wouldn't be impossible.

0:56.8

Not at all.

0:58.4

Sue Halpern has been writing for the New Yorker about election security, and what she's found

1:02.7

should scare us all.

1:05.5

Logan Lamb is a security researcher in Georgia.

1:08.5

I'm generally a curious guy.

1:12.4

I enjoy the poking around part.

1:17.8

I like to do that in my free time. In August 2016, at the height of the presidential election,

1:23.0

he started poking around the Kennesaw State University's Center for Election Systems,

1:32.7

which ran all the elections in Georgia. In the course of doing that, I did a very, very simple Google search.

1:37.5

I said, for the site elections.kinesaw.edu,

1:41.8

Google, please give me all of the PDF documents on this website.

1:46.2

And generally, that turns up reports or public presentations.

1:50.8

And this particular search didn't turn that up.

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