Welcome to the Animal Law podcast.

This is Marianne Sullivan, and I am super excited to welcome back, Will Lowry, who of course

is legal counsel for animal partisan and has been on the podcast several times.

But along with Will is David Rosengard, who is the managing attorney for the

Animal Legal Defense Fund's Criminal Justice Program. And, well, the last time you were on the podcast,

I think we briefly mentioned, because we're always talking about cruelty laws as a general rule

when you come on, and you just find all these laws out there that nobody else knew existed.

And we briefly discussed the fact that there were these laws out there in some states

that allowed people with evidence of cruelty to obtain a search warrant.

Like, I don't, you know, it's unclear exactly what that means or what can be done with that.

But it's pretty cool that these laws are out there. So now you're back to actually talk about one and hopefully more of those

laws and to discuss some of the potential they hold and some of the risks they might create.

And I guess I hate to give away the ending, but I should warn people that we will be discussing

one unfortunate setback in using

these laws. But I'm hoping that we can consider that an opening salvo in using these laws

as an available tool that has not yet been used expansively for animals. And I'm super

excited about them in spite of the unfortunate result in the first case. And we'll be talking

about a second

possible case as well. So I've set this scene enough. Well, I'm sorry to do this to you,

but before we get into detail on these laws, can you just rewind people of the basic parameters

of cruelty laws, why unlike so many other people, you refuse to give up on them as a way

to address harm to farm animals

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