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The Katie Halper Show

Is Trumpism Fascism? Debate w/ Jason Stanley, Jodi Dean, Sam Moyn, Daniel Bessner, Eugene Puryear

The Katie Halper Show

Katie Halper

News

4.61.6K Ratings

🗓️ 15 January 2021

⏱️ 105 minutes

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Summary

Is Trump a fascist? Has he unleashed fascism? Was July 6 a coup? A failed coup? Never going to be a coup? Do these labels matter? To answer that question, Katie will chat with an amazing round table consisting of: philosopher Jason Stanley; historian and law professor Samuel Moyn; political scientist Jodi Dean; historian Daniel Bessner; and journalist Eugene Puryear. Jason Stanley (https://twitter.com/jasonintrator) is the Jacob Urowsky Professor of Philosophy at Yale University whose latest book is "How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them." He's a contributor to The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Boston Review, The Guardian, Project Syndicate and The Chronicle of Higher Education. Jodi Dean (https://twitter.com/Jodi7768) is a political theorist who teaches political, feminist, and media theory in Geneva, New York. She has written or edited thirteen books, including The Communist Horizon, Crowds and Party, Comrade: An Essay on Political Belonging. Samuel Moyn (https://twitter.com/samuelmoyn), is the Henry R. Luce Professor of Jurisprudence at and Professor of History at Yale University. His latest books are "Christian Human Rights" and "Not Enough: Human Rights in an Unequal World." Daniel Bessner is a historian, non-resident fellow at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, a Contributing Editor at Jacobin, and the author of "Democracy in Exile: Hans Speier and the Rise of the Defense Intellectual" and is co-editor of "The Decisionist Imagination: Sovereignty, Social Science, and Democracy in the 20th century" Eugene Puryear (https://twitter.com/EugenePuryear) is the host for Break Through News (https://twitter.com/btnewsroom) and The Punchout podcast; a member of the PSL Party For Socialism and Liberation (https://twitter.com/pslweb) and the author of "Shackled and Chained: Mass Incarceration in Capitalist America." Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Katie Halper show are you guys doing okay?

0:12.0

All right, Eugene, how are you doing?

0:14.0

Are you good?

0:15.0

Well, you know, I'm doing well.

0:17.0

I mean, obviously all things considered,

0:18.0

I'm definitely doing well, you know,

0:21.0

given where a lot of folks are unfortunately so you know just

0:24.0

pushing forward to all we can do yeah and we're going to get into some very

0:28.1

serious discussions tonight and actually there's really no need for me to say that

0:32.4

because that makes it sound like I was about to launch into a comedic monologue, which I'm not.

0:36.0

There could be some comedy here.

0:38.0

It's okay to, it's okay to, it's okay to, it's okay to have some level of levity.

0:40.0

Yeah, we do, yes, that's something I really try to do it. Yeah, that's true. But for right now, I think we should just tell people who you are. And also, Eugene, you're going to help me really ground this discussion.

0:51.0

Oh, okay. All right. You are. I'm equally as

0:54.7

complicit in the outcome. I see everything that yeah everything that I say

0:58.3

Eugene signs off on but not everything that Eugene says is something I sign off

1:01.7

on so that's how it goes. But we're going to be

1:04.7

having a great conversation. Now of course people who watch the show know Eugene Perrier is the

1:08.4

host of Punch Out News, the Punch out. I'm sorry. I can literally never.

1:16.5

The punch out. A podcast on breakthrough news.

1:22.8

I mean honestly I've probably mentioned that your show is more than

1:26.4

anyone who doesn't work on breakthrough news does.

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