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🗓️ 6 March 2025
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Trump is no fan of Zelenskyy. That much has been clear for months. But according to Politico, his administration is now tapping up Ukrainian opposition politicians and former leaders to try to push Zelenskyy out of power. Is America now interfering in Ukraine’s domestic policies as well as forcing its submission to Putin? We talk to CNN Correspondent and Chief International Anchor, Christiane Amanpour about her time with Zelensky.
And what do European leaders have to offer Ukraine as they meet now in Brussels? Have they come to the conclusion Starmer hasn’t yet - that America can no longer be trusted?
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0:00.0 | The Newsagents podcast is brought to you by HSBC UK commercial banking, opening up a world of opportunity. |
0:09.0 | This is a global player original podcast. During all this period and last week you stay with us and of |
0:16.1 | course from all the Ukrainians, from all our nations, big appreciation. We are very thankful that we are not |
0:22.0 | That Zelensky in Brussels today saying thank you to Europe. Meanwhile, in the UK, just down |
0:29.5 | the road from here, Ukraine's ambassador to the UK has accused the US of destroying the world order. |
0:39.0 | So although we always listen to Zelensky, is the truth really coming from his ambassador in |
0:47.4 | London when he says the world order is coming to an end and America is wrecking it. Welcome to the newsagents. |
0:59.7 | The news agents. It's John. It's Emily. It's Lewis. And the words from Valerie Zillusioni, |
1:06.6 | who, as we were saying, is Ukraine's ambassador to London, who has been quite quiet over the last |
1:12.5 | couple of weeks, but he's not anymore. In fact, he's just tweeted, just as we've been sitting here, |
1:16.1 | saying that what he said at the Chatham House think tank was an open and direct conversation, |
1:21.6 | say that again, about the fact that the world order has changed, and this must be acknowledged. |
1:26.5 | And in his speech, he said this, |
1:28.3 | it is not just the axis of evil trying to revise the world order. The US is destroying the world |
1:36.5 | order. It is obvious the White House has questioned the unity of the whole Western world and now |
1:43.6 | Washington is trying to delegate the security |
1:46.5 | issues to Europe without the participation of the United States. So this is, as Zelensky has |
1:52.5 | been trying to repair relations with the White House, doubtless Trump and others will note the |
1:57.6 | words of his ambassadors to London, who is basically saying that they are now part of the axis of evil alongside states. |
2:04.8 | This is obviously a phrase initially used by George W. Bush about the war on terror, about Iran, North Korea and so on. |
2:10.8 | And now using those words, inverting them about the United States itself. |
2:15.3 | It's a really interesting intervention, not least, because, as you say, we haven't heard much |
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