Now whatever you think about the military onslaught being waged against the people of Gaza by the Israeli state,

there's no question that it would not be possible without the support of the United States of America.

The last global superpower, of course, and the key protector, defender, armor of Israel without the arms, diplomatic,

political support aid that the US offers, none of this would be possible.

That's a straightforward fact.

You don't have to agree or disagree with me about Gaza, that's a fact. So it's really important actually that I speak to a brilliant

guest well in Shaheed who is a progressive strategist the former spokesperson of

the Justice Democrats who played

as such a fundamental role in helping to build a new generation

of progressive Democrats.

We can see them, of course, with the Squad in the Congress,

but also politicians across the United States.

I think that gives us a lot of hope for the future of progressive politics in the US.

And Wally's played a pivotal role in all that so a key person to speak to

Hayden. I'm good thanks for having me Owen. Okay let's just start

shall we in terms of Joe Biden because I'll just start with a big big

question is he bugged has he

destroyed his presidency I mean he's somebody probably could have got away with by the

standards of most US presidents probably could have got away with looking relatively ineffective, particularly given, I suppose, the expectations

maybe a lot of people on the left had about him.

You know, things like Wydry from Afghanistan Afghanistan didn't launch any major wall that slaughtered

huge numbers of people so you didn't have a kind of L-B-G-A problem of doing some kind of relatively

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