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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Is Trump Destroying the World Order?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 18 October 2018

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

With the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, David Leonhardt asks guest Thomas Friedman about the strained future of U.S.-Saudi relations. Then, Michelle Goldberg, Ross Douthat and David debate whether Trump's foreign policy emboldens autocrats and threatens liberal democracy. No surprise: they disagree. But common ground is found over club soda. For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0

I'm Michelle Goldberg.

0:01.4

I'm Ross Douthett.

0:02.4

And I'm David Leonhardt.

0:03.6

This is the argument.

0:05.4

Today, we start with the two men at the center

0:08.3

of the biggest news story in the world.

0:10.4

The Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi

0:13.0

and Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman.

0:15.7

And we talk to someone who knew them both.

0:18.0

Our colleague, Tom Friedman.

0:20.1

You know, I've interviewed a lot of Arab leaders

0:22.1

before over the years, but none have ever kept me up

0:24.6

till three in the morning talking about their ideas

0:26.9

about their economy.

0:27.9

OK.

0:28.4

Then, Michelle Ross and I tackle the big question behind all

0:31.3

of this.

0:31.8

Is President Trump's foreign policy

0:33.5

destroying the world order?

0:35.3

And finally, a recommendation.

0:39.4

I told you.

0:40.9

That was amazing.

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