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Is this the end of the rule of law in America?

Consider This from NPR

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🗓️ 15 June 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

Since the start of his second term, President Trump has been at odds with the federal courts.

The protests in Los Angeles are just the latest series of events to raise huge questions about presidential power: in this case, whether the president can use military force to control protests.

NPR's Scott Detrow speaks with J. Michael Luttig, a former federal judge who has a stark warning: that Trump's actions signal of the end of the rule of law in America.

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0:00.0

When protests broke out over immigration raids in Los Angeles, President Trump was quick to send in federal troops.

0:10.1

Claiming the demonstrations were destructive, the president ordered the deployment of roughly 4,000 National Guard troops and 700 Marines.

0:18.1

If I didn't get involved, if we didn't bring the guard in, and we would bring more in if we needed it,

0:23.1

because we have to make sure there's going to be law and order.

0:26.5

You had a disaster happening.

0:29.9

California officials objected to the deployment of federal troops.

0:33.5

Well, it's an illegal act.

0:36.0

It's immoral.

0:37.3

It's also unconstitutional.

0:39.2

California Governor Gavin Newsom filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration last Monday.

0:44.1

Well, he's showing more division, more chaos. He's inciting just the same. And more fear, more anxiety,

0:53.4

more likelihood that people are going to be hurt.

0:57.1

We're on the other side of the red line. This has little precedent in modern American history.

1:02.9

The suit accuses the administration of violating federal law and breaching the 10th Amendment

1:07.4

of the U.S. Constitution.

1:09.0

The mobilization order that was sent to the Guard has a statute that requires it shall be issued

1:14.8

through governors of the states.

1:16.9

And I want to mind people listening.

1:18.7

This impacts every state in America, not just the state of California.

1:23.4

In an initial ruling, a federal judge rejected Trump's rationale for federalizing the National Guard,

1:29.2

ordering the Guard to be returned to Newsom's control. But just hours later, at Appeals Court

1:34.2

put that order on hold. And for now, thousands of members of California's National Guard remain

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